Is there a Secret Verse in Revelation 7:7-8 ?
What’s in a Name?
In ancient times, the names given to children had significant meaning. In Genesis we find the meanings of the names listed in Revelation 7:7-8. In birth order they are:
Genesis 29:32 Reuben: “surely the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me.”
Genesis 29:33 Simeon: “because the LORD hath heard… he hath therefore given me this son…”
Genesis 29:34 Levi: “now this time will my husband be joined unto me” (It should be noted that God is called Israel’s husband in Isa 54:5 )
Genesis 29:35 Judah: “now will I praise the LORD” [Dan is omitted in Revelation 7]
Genesis 30:8 Naphtali: “with great wrestlings…I have prevailed.”
Genesis 30:11 Gad: “a troop cometh” [Gad in Hebrew means “good fortune”]
Genesis 30:13 Asher: “happy am I, call me blessed”
Genesis 30:18 Issachar: “God hath given me my hire” [Hebrew sakar – wages, compensation, reward]
Genesis 30:20 Zebulon: “now will my husband dwell with me”
Genesis 30:24 Joseph: “the LORD shall add”
Genesis 35:18 Benjamin: “the Son of the right hand”
Genesis 41:51 Manasseh: “for God hath made me forget all my toil.”
Let’s now rearrange the names in the order in which they are listed in Revelation 7:7-8 with the meaning next to each:
Judah: Praise the Lord,
Reuben: He has looked on my affliction
Gad: good fortune comes
Asher: happy and blessed am I
Napthali: my wrestling
Manasseh: has made me forget my sorrow
Simeon: God hears me
Levi: has joined me
Issachar: rewarded me
Zebulun: exalted me
Joseph: adding to me
Benjamin: the Son of His right hand.
Now let’s string together the meaning of the names and read the message:
Praise the Lord. He has looked on my affliction [and] good fortune comes. Happy and blessed am I. My wrestling has made me forget my sorrow. God hears me, has joined me, rewarded me, exalted me [by] adding to me the Son of His right hand.
So confused with Marvel and DC.
So many more questions, like who’s Billy Batson?
who or what is shazam?
What does DC have a Captain Marvel?
Wonder Woman and Superman
Green Lateran and Barry the Flash?
Green Lateran hates Batman?
Wonder Woman … sigh.
The Super 7, lol, sounds like a lottery … and does any no one here remember Tarzan and the Super 7?
What’s the deal with WB And DC?
and Arrow’s Deathstroke without the Arrow?
Deathstroke the Terminator? Since When
Louise Lane? why are they always trying to kidnap her?
Ref: O’Niel of TMNT, anyone?
when is supergirl on again?
I want to see Kara!
Kara is older than Clark ??
MY, how many versions of Superman are there?
This last week has been just nuts, (re: friends? lol)
Anyhow, I found out that Bruce really does have a son, and Darkie, (Darkseid) is not very
Ref: Darkseed, Darksied, darkside, Kandor, Brainanic, Brainiac, Zor-El?
Cupid,Count Vertigo,Constantine Drakon
So many questions!
Enter God’s Will,
Welcome God’s Will!
But Wait, … which Will is this?
know ye not that God has more than one will, as do I, FYI.
so… is this the General or the Specific Will of God here?
Yes, there are more Wills of God, but let’s try to tone it down and keep it simple here.
What I see here is a slight move into God’s Will, but more than that… I see a desire to know what God’s Desire is and hence the interpretation of God’s Will. …
or an attempt at it, as lofty as it is and noble nonetheless.
Is God’s Will subject to God’s Desire or vice versa or …
double check what 2 Peter 3:9 actually says. in two different versions
NIV : The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
KJV : The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
To me, 2 Peter 3:9 has almost always been about God’s Patience, not prayer or pray-ers, in this case.
The context is most agreeably Christ’s Second Coming & Judgment. Yes, they go together.
So where does the ask-er come up with or find “God’s Desire”?
most likely, in the Weymouth New Testament version: The Lord is not slow in fulfilling His promise, in the sense in which some men speak of slowness. But He bears patiently with you, His desire being that no one should perish but that all should come to repentance.
back to the comment about “time” … I see other hints, like… slow, slowness, patiently, and a few others, but those 2 are a good start.
This version is about time, speed, and patience. If i may be so bold… tho i am not limiting the verse to be about time alone, since it is obviously about a lot more than time, grace and judgement.
which may be what the ask-er was feeling emotionally when composing the question, or had someone in life who the ask-er really wanted to be saved.
Short answer, … God does, the ask-er question does and a few others do. all else are outside looking in.
oh 1 Cor 13…
God’s desire… in that verse seems to be about … well, let’s realign and try to see if we can look and see what the ask-er was really getting at.
God’s Desire… that none should perish…
hold on to that thought because the ask-er continues with and i recap:” however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always His will (in reality). ”
does that mean that it was His will virtually? or maybe the ask-er did not or could not find the right word(s).
who can blame the ask-er.
no stones here and no stone throwers here either, after all we are all allowed to ask these types of questions ever now and then. and hopefully learn from them.
so God’s will … and God’s Desire … is there a breakdown here?
God Who is the Constant, and never changing, … yet mismatched at the desire-will level?
I dare say… i have to say…
Maybe, I might not be able to find the right words either.
So to speak.
But let’s assume that the ask-er is on to something.
What if God’s desire is His First Will and His Second Will … in reality does not manifest or … ( materialize? — i had the word on the tip of my brain and i need to replace the spark plug. )
Maybe it overrules and …
Sorry, I gtg now… let’s continue this later.
( I’ll be back when i am fresh or refreshed — it’s good to take a break, i think we are like 32% into this )
Let’s call this Q&A session … “Is Salvation A Promise?”
Every now and then, I come across a question that i feel and urge to respond to, but not necessarily to those who are asking or involved in the conversation per se.
so in response to this particular question which i feel i should paraphrase…
[Interesting Question Here:]
I’ve been thinking about a question lately,
Is it biblical to pray for someone’s salvation?
It seems obvious that we should pray for the salvation of others because God does not want anyone to perish, but to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always his will (in reality).
I was thinking about the verse “If you abide in me, and my words in you, then ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you” (John 15:7), and I didn’t know if praying for someone’s salvation is something that God promises he will grant. So even if God desires it, it’s not something that we can claim as a promise in scripture.
Even when Paul prayed, he asked for more opportunities for the Gospel to be preached, but not necessarily for the salvation of specific people?
[Disclaimer: all names and Identities has been removes safe mine for i am responding to the question and you already know who i am and what i think and say from time to time. tho this is not about me. i am posting this on my blog for you and you need not know who asked this multitude of questions. ]
My Starting Point is this verse, Matthew 22:14, …. and this thought: “God alone knows who will be saved”
And well it obviously opens and closes a few doors.
Hopefully not the right ones and does not change the question.
Now you may ask… what does “Many are called but few are chosen” in Matthew 22:14 mean?
let’s skip that for now and explore other questions
but most of all, are salvations promises and to whom are they promises , for it sounds in my mind at least that the prayer, in this case… the person praying, wishes that salvation is a promise and that is it claimable.
as if it belongs to the person who is praying, which obviously, it should not be.
Since … if Salvation is a promise, it would not be a promise to the one praying unless it was that promise in Acts.
you know the one i am thinking of?
maybe not, but now you know where to look. right?
so, one down… the prayer ( the one praying, hereafter known as pray-er) ought to continue to pray, for as i mentioned, only God knows who will and will not be saved, … ultimately, and noticed i said ultimately… more about that … if you ask the right question(s).
let’s continue my rant.
back to the question… is it biblical to pray for someone’s salvation?
that’s a good question. and rather than answer it outright…. let’s explore it some more.
Is the question-er asking if the Bible commands or encourages prayer for non believers?
Both you and I know the answer to that.
So why is the question-er asking this question if it is stated in the Bible?
now i am not sure, so i think i should start with that… “Are you asking if the Bible says we should pray for someone’s Salvation?”
Or… aside, if praying for someone’s salvation would … you know …
ok step back because the next thing the question-er says is ” It seems obvious that we should pray for the salvation of others because God does not want anyone to perish …”
now the first part of it says it is obvious that we should … so obviously that is obvious, …the answer is obvious that we should … and the reason provided was … Because God does not want anyone to perish, … nto sure if the question-er is referring to John or Paul or Peter here.
Specifically … John 3:16, or 1 Timothy 2:4, or 2 Peter 3:9 … or something else, … we have to be open to the question-er thinking of and/ or knowing other verses about salvation, from the other gospels or epistles.
ok back on track… the question-er continues to say … “but to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), … ”
Silly me, the question-er did provide a chapter book and verse.
let’ s more over, and move on….
“… however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always [H]is will (in reality).”
( END OF PART 1 … see Part 2 tomorrow )
How we are agreed …
1. “May I say that I have not thoroughly enjoyed serving with Humans? I find their illogic and foolish emotions a constant irritant.” — Spock
2. “I realize that command does have its fascination, even under circumstances such as these, but I neither enjoy the idea of command nor am I frightened of it. It simply exists, and I will do whatever logically needs to be done.” — Spock, Star Trek: The Original Series (The Galileo Seven)
3. “Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.” — Spock, Star Trek: The Original Series (The Ultimate Computer)
On Being a Vulcan
“To be Vulcan, means to adopt a philosophy, a way of life which is logical and beneficial. We can not disregard that philosophy merely for personal gain – no matter how important that gain may be.” (Spock to Amanda – Journey to Babel)
“I too am a Vulcan, bred to peace.” (Spock – Savage Curtain)
“Logic is the begining of wisdom not the end” (Spock to Valeris STII)
“Logic is a little bird tweeting in meadow; logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which … smell bad…” (Spock – I Mudd)
“Change is the essential process of all existence.”
“I would remind you, though, that the word for ‘decide’ is descended from older words meaning to kill; options and opportunities die when decisions are made. Be careful what you kill.” (Spock, “Spock’s World” by Diane Duane)
“Is death truly a curse? There is little logic in condemning something one has not experienced…or does not remember experiencing.” (Spock – Wounded Sky, Diane Duane)
“Accepting death – by understanding that every life comes to an end, when time demands it. Loss of life is to be mourned, but only if the life was wasted.” (Spock to younger Spock in Yesteryear – STA)
“It is illogical to kill without reason.”
“If there were a reason a Vulcan is quite capable of killing – logically and efficiently.” (Spock – Journey to Babel)
On the Warrior Mentality
“Shakespeare understood the warrior mentality:’Witness this army, of such mass and charge/ Exposing what is mortal and usure/To all that fortune, death, danger dare/ Even for an eggshell.’ or as a Klingon poet might put it, Captain, any excuse for a fight.” (Vulcan Academy Murders: J. Lorrah)
“A world without intelligence is a primitive place, Doctor, not an enchanted place. Intelligence is part of the advancing scheme of evolution. Without it, nature reaches a plateau very quickly and does not progress beyond raw survival. The full flavor of possibility goes un-savored. And that… is a true shame.” (The First Frontier: by Diane Carey & Dr. James Kirkland)
“Irrational fear is a construct of an undisciplined intellect” (Spock to Chekov in Deep Domain)*
“Fear is among the strongest and most violent of the emotions.” (Spock – Wolf in the fold.)
On vegetarians (sort of)
“In a strict scientific sense, Doctor, we all feed on death – even Vegetarians.” (Spock – Wolf in the Fold).
“Computers make excellent and efficient servants – but I have no wish to serve under them.” *
“…that computers are more efficient – not better than human beings” (Spock – The Ultimate Computer)
“However, I have noted, that the ‘healthy’ release of emotion is frequently very unhealthy for those closest to you.” (Spock – Plato’s Stepchildren)
“Emotions are alien to me – I am a scientist.” (Spock – Paradise syndrome)
“What you do not yet understand is that Vulcans do not lack emotion. This is an all too common misconception. It is merely that our emotions are controlled, kept in check. This adherence to principles of logic offers a serenity that humans rarely experience in full. We have emotions. But we deal firmly with them and do not let them control us.” (Elder Spock to young Spock in Yesteryear TOS-animated)
“Humans smile with so little provocation.” (Spock- Journey to Babel)
“Not even Vulcans can know the un-known.” (Spock – Immunity syndrome)
“If I drop a wrench on a planet with a positive gravity field, I need not see it fall, nor hear it hit the ground, to know that it has in fact fallen.” (Spock – Court Martial)
“I object to Intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose.” (Spock – Squire of Gothos)
On Humans behaviour
“I do not mean to offend, sir, but it behaves with an almost human pattern.” (Spock – The Ultimate Computer)
On Humanoid behaviour
“It is the lot of ‘man’ to strive, no matter how content he is.”
“Each of us at some time in our life turns to someone, a father, a brother, a God and asks Why am I here? What was I ment to be?.” (Spock – ST-I)
“Fascinating is a word I use for the unexpected.” (Spock – Squire of Gothos)
“We must acknowledge once and for all that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.” (Spock – A taste of Armagedon)
“The entire key to diplomacy is sincerity. Once that can be faked, the rest is simple.” (Spock – The Rift:Peter David).
“Madness has no purpose or reason but it may have a goal.” (Spock – Alternative factor)
“Appreciation is a noun. It denotes the just valuation or recognition of worth.” (Spock – My Enemy My Ally).
“It is our way – Art and Science combined. There is no reason that function should not be beautiful – in fact beauty usually makes it more effective.” (Spock – Spock’s World)
“Creativity is necessary for the health of the body.” (Spock – Return of the Archons)
“Having is not so pleasing as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” (Spock to T’Pring in Amok Time).