Enter God’s Will,
Welcome God’s Will!
But Wait, … which Will is this?
know ye not that God has more than one will, as do I, FYI.
so… is this the General or the Specific Will of God here?
Yes, there are more Wills of God, but let’s try to tone it down and keep it simple here.
What I see here is a slight move into God’s Will, but more than that… I see a desire to know what God’s Desire is and hence the interpretation of God’s Will. …
or an attempt at it, as lofty as it is and noble nonetheless.
Is God’s Will subject to God’s Desire or vice versa or …
double check what 2 Peter 3:9 actually says. in two different versions
NIV : The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
KJV : The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
To me, 2 Peter 3:9 has almost always been about God’s Patience, not prayer or pray-ers, in this case.
The context is most agreeably Christ’s Second Coming & Judgment. Yes, they go together.
So where does the ask-er come up with or find “God’s Desire”?
most likely, in the Weymouth New Testament version: The Lord is not slow in fulfilling His promise, in the sense in which some men speak of slowness. But He bears patiently with you, His desire being that no one should perish but that all should come to repentance.
back to the comment about “time” … I see other hints, like… slow, slowness, patiently, and a few others, but those 2 are a good start.
This version is about time, speed, and patience. If i may be so bold… tho i am not limiting the verse to be about time alone, since it is obviously about a lot more than time, grace and judgement.
which may be what the ask-er was feeling emotionally when composing the question, or had someone in life who the ask-er really wanted to be saved.
Short answer, … God does, the ask-er question does and a few others do. all else are outside looking in.
oh 1 Cor 13…
God’s desire… in that verse seems to be about … well, let’s realign and try to see if we can look and see what the ask-er was really getting at.
God’s Desire… that none should perish…
hold on to that thought because the ask-er continues with and i recap:” however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always His will (in reality). ”
does that mean that it was His will virtually? or maybe the ask-er did not or could not find the right word(s).
who can blame the ask-er.
no stones here and no stone throwers here either, after all we are all allowed to ask these types of questions ever now and then. and hopefully learn from them.
so God’s will … and God’s Desire … is there a breakdown here?
God Who is the Constant, and never changing, … yet mismatched at the desire-will level?
I dare say… i have to say…
Maybe, I might not be able to find the right words either.
So to speak.
But let’s assume that the ask-er is on to something.
What if God’s desire is His First Will and His Second Will … in reality does not manifest or … ( materialize? — i had the word on the tip of my brain and i need to replace the spark plug. )
Maybe it overrules and …
Sorry, I gtg now… let’s continue this later.
( I’ll be back when i am fresh or refreshed — it’s good to take a break, i think we are like 32% into this )
Let’s call this Q&A session … “Is Salvation A Promise?”
Every now and then, I come across a question that i feel and urge to respond to, but not necessarily to those who are asking or involved in the conversation per se.
so in response to this particular question which i feel i should paraphrase…
[Interesting Question Here:]
I’ve been thinking about a question lately,
Is it biblical to pray for someone’s salvation?
It seems obvious that we should pray for the salvation of others because God does not want anyone to perish, but to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always his will (in reality).
I was thinking about the verse “If you abide in me, and my words in you, then ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you” (John 15:7), and I didn’t know if praying for someone’s salvation is something that God promises he will grant. So even if God desires it, it’s not something that we can claim as a promise in scripture.
Even when Paul prayed, he asked for more opportunities for the Gospel to be preached, but not necessarily for the salvation of specific people?
[Disclaimer: all names and Identities has been removes safe mine for i am responding to the question and you already know who i am and what i think and say from time to time. tho this is not about me. i am posting this on my blog for you and you need not know who asked this multitude of questions. ]
My Starting Point is this verse, Matthew 22:14, …. and this thought: “God alone knows who will be saved”
And well it obviously opens and closes a few doors.
Hopefully not the right ones and does not change the question.
Now you may ask… what does “Many are called but few are chosen” in Matthew 22:14 mean?
let’s skip that for now and explore other questions
but most of all, are salvations promises and to whom are they promises , for it sounds in my mind at least that the prayer, in this case… the person praying, wishes that salvation is a promise and that is it claimable.
as if it belongs to the person who is praying, which obviously, it should not be.
Since … if Salvation is a promise, it would not be a promise to the one praying unless it was that promise in Acts.
you know the one i am thinking of?
maybe not, but now you know where to look. right?
so, one down… the prayer ( the one praying, hereafter known as pray-er) ought to continue to pray, for as i mentioned, only God knows who will and will not be saved, … ultimately, and noticed i said ultimately… more about that … if you ask the right question(s).
let’s continue my rant.
back to the question… is it biblical to pray for someone’s salvation?
that’s a good question. and rather than answer it outright…. let’s explore it some more.
Is the question-er asking if the Bible commands or encourages prayer for non believers?
Both you and I know the answer to that.
So why is the question-er asking this question if it is stated in the Bible?
now i am not sure, so i think i should start with that… “Are you asking if the Bible says we should pray for someone’s Salvation?”
Or… aside, if praying for someone’s salvation would … you know …
ok step back because the next thing the question-er says is ” It seems obvious that we should pray for the salvation of others because God does not want anyone to perish …”
now the first part of it says it is obvious that we should … so obviously that is obvious, …the answer is obvious that we should … and the reason provided was … Because God does not want anyone to perish, … nto sure if the question-er is referring to John or Paul or Peter here.
Specifically … John 3:16, or 1 Timothy 2:4, or 2 Peter 3:9 … or something else, … we have to be open to the question-er thinking of and/ or knowing other verses about salvation, from the other gospels or epistles.
ok back on track… the question-er continues to say … “but to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), … ”
Silly me, the question-er did provide a chapter book and verse.
let’ s more over, and move on….
“… however even if that is God’s desire, it’s not always [H]is will (in reality).”
( END OF PART 1 … see Part 2 tomorrow )
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